Joel Osteen, Leaving Church & Frank Viola | Ep 54

Leaving Church

Thomas re-listened to our episode 30 and episode 31. He mentioned that it we talked about why we are leaving church, but not much about how others might leave and what they should do. So, we made the decision to talk about Joel Osteen. But only so that we can make a point about why people may decide to leave institutional church and what they can do as they leave. Really, the Osteen talk ends up being a conversation all its own, but it makes a point.

Leaving Church

We talked about four ways people may leave church:

  1. Angry
  2. Personally Hurt
  3. Burned Out
  4. Tired of the show

Resources & Show Links

Peter Rollins

Jason Upton

Peter Scazzero (Emotionally Healthy Spirituality)

Frank Viola

Alan Hirsch

Jon Zens

One Body

Soma Church

We Are Church (Multiply – Francis Chan)


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Potluck: Not The Shack, Seminary, Serving in Church, & Adoption | Ep 37


Potlucks are Fun

It’s been awhile since Thomas and Bruce have been able to do an episode together, but they’re back. Technical difficulties put them out for a couple months, but they’re mostly fixed now. In this episode we did not talk about The Shack, mostly because our wives will next week, but also because we don’t like controversy. Just kidding, we like controversy. Instead, we used this episode to catch up on the last couple months, sort of a potluck of topics.

Seminary, Serving & Adoption

Okay, we did talk about The Shack a little, but not enough to ruin Sarah and Angy’s episode. Mostly we focused on sharing what God has been doing in our lives over the last couple months. Some of that stuff is pretty big stuff; kids being healed, adoption considerations, serving in our local church, and Thomas being part of the “system” by going to seminary.

People not to Follow

We also mentioned a number of people that we follow, but don’t recommend you following.┬áHere’s a short list: (CAUTION: If you click the links, they’ll probably mess you up.)

Any Gungor (Michael, David: The Brilliance, Lisa)

Jeff Vanderstelt: Saturate

Francis Chan

Podcasts Mentioned

Bad Christian

Pastor with No Answers

We’d love to hear what’s been going on with you! Let us know in the comments.

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