Joel Osteen, Leaving Church & Frank Viola | Ep 54

Leaving Church

Thomas re-listened to our episode 30 and episode 31. He mentioned that it we talked about why we are leaving church, but not much about how others might leave and what they should do. So, we made the decision to talk about Joel Osteen. But only so that we can make a point about why people may decide to leave institutional church and what they can do as they leave. Really, the Osteen talk ends up being a conversation all its own, but it makes a point.

Leaving Church

We talked about four ways people may leave church:

  1. Angry
  2. Personally Hurt
  3. Burned Out
  4. Tired of the show

Resources & Show Links

Peter Rollins

Jason Upton

Peter Scazzero (Emotionally Healthy Spirituality)

Frank Viola

Alan Hirsch

Jon Zens

One Body

Soma Church

We Are Church (Multiply – Francis Chan)


picture: Flickr/nasrul ekram

Is Christian Accountability Made Up or Real? | Ep 53

AccountabilityA few weeks ago, maybe a month, we did an episode where we addressed multiple topics. During that episode Bruce might have said something along the lines of, “Stop doing accountability groups. They’re silly and not real.”  We figure we should explain.

Accountability isn’t “Bad”

They aren’t necessarily a bad thing, accountability is necessary, especially in the body of Christ. It’s just that, most of the time we do it wrong, or fake. That sound better, right? Well, here’s what we mean…

photo: Flickr/Nathan Richardson

Charlottesville: What Now? | Ep 52


For the last week my social media newsfeeds, like everyone else’s, have been inundated with the chaos and hate that erupted in Charlottesville, VA this past weekend. I’ve tried multiple time to write a blog post about it, but I just couldn’t organize my thoughts. Then Thomas suggested that we just talk about it in an episode. So we did.

This episode is really just us trying to work out and process our thoughts about what happened.

Show Links

The Day I Changed My Mind About the Confederate Flag – Allan Brevere

Charlottesville: Race and Terror – Vice News

Gavin Mcinnes

Philip DeFranco


Photo: Flickr/Nora Kaszuba

How Should You Interact with the Bible? | Ep 51


In this episode we’re talk about the bible. I know we don’t actually talk about the bible a lot, but Thomas felt like it was time to address how we interact with it.

Often times we approach the it as a manual for how to live or as a rule book. But, if we believe that the it is God’s living and breathing word, then the way we interact with it matters.

Book Links:

My Utmost for His Highest, Oswald Chambers

The Religion of Jesus and the Faith of Paul, Adolf Deissmann

Saint Paul Daily Missal, The Daughters of St. Paul

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Church Mission, Vision & Strategy | Episode 50

Mission, Vision, Strategy

THIS IS IT! Episode 50! And we totally missed it. We thought we had more time. We knew we were approaching episode 50, but didn’t realize that it was this close. Because of that, we didn’t do a special 50th episode. So, I added a message to the front end of an episode we had already recorded and planned to post.

In this episode we’re talking about how the church deals with Mission, Vision and Strategy. We think it’s been made far more complicated than it needs to be.


Your purpose. This is what you have joined together with others to accomplish.


This is how you see your organization living out and in that purpose.


This is how you plan to accomplish that purpose.

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Photo: Flickr/Mélanie Plante

Telling Stories with Comedian Taylor Johnson | Ep 49

Taylor Johnson

In the last couple weeks I think we’ve had more guests than we’ve had in the last year. This week we had the honor to hangout with Comedian and Story-Teller, Taylor Johnson.

Let me tell you everything I know about Taylor…

  • He’s a comedian
  • He used to be a part-time youth pastor
  • He’s not afraid of the deep stuff (as you’ll hear)
  • He does private house shows
  • He lives in his van (most of the time)
  • And, he’s pretty stinking funny

I’ll let him tell you the rest.

Show Links

About House Shows

Ministry Pass Sermon Series


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Connect with Taylor Johnson at these links:

Taylor Johnson


Facebook: TaylorJohnsonOnline

Youtube: Taylor Johnson

More g(O)dd Questions: Avoiding Tithing & What Are We Doing? | Ep 48


In this week’s episode we decided to answer questions again. This time they aren’t audience questions. Instead, we’re answering questions that we routinely get from people about what we’re doing about this church thing. We talked about a ton of topics: tithing, leadership, accountability, and being angry at the church.

After we recorded (it ended up being 53 minutes long), we decided that maybe people wanted to skip right to a specific topic, so we separated them into separate videos. So, if you want to listen to the whole thing, do it. But, if you’re interested in a specific topic, you can go straight to that video and watch that one. Here’s the topics and links to the videos…

Here’s the Whole Episode

Individual Topic Clips

What Exactly are You Doing? | Ep 48a

This is exactly what it sounds like. What ARE we doing if we’re planning on doing “regular” church?

Are You Avoiding Tithing or Accountability? | Ep 48b

Mostly? Yes we are. Really we’re both probably giving more than we would if we were tithing to a church. And as far as accountability, we are both more accountable (not less) in the community we’ve placed ourselves in.

Did the Church Hurt You? | Ep 48c

Nope. And we’re not mad at the church either. We love the Church.

What About Leading in Church? |Ep 48d

Yeah, do it. We love leadership. Maybe just learn to follow Jesus, with other followers, first.

Mentioned Links

Inglorious Pasterds

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8 Days of Hope: Follow Up w/James Roberson, 516 Project | Ep 47


Hope Restored

3, 41, 131, & 2149. These are the numbers of hope in LaFayette, LA.

Back on May 4, 2017 we aired an episode where we interviewed the founder of 516 Project – Construction Ministry, James Roberson. At the time he was trying to raise support (you know, people, resources & funds) for an 8 Days of Hope (8DOH) project in LaFayette, LA.

If you remember the episode, in 2016 there was an enormous flood that destroyed 140,000 homes and caused $15 million worth of damage. So from June 4 – 11, 2017, 8DOH and their huge volunteer base descended on LaFayette and worked to restore hope to those who had lost it back in August 2017. And that’s where the numbers come in…

The Numbers

LaFayette saw volunteers from 3 countries and 41 states show up and completely restore 131 homes (25 received completely new kitchens and 85 had all new furniture donated). All told 2149 volunteers came to show the people of LaFayette how much they love them.

James was awesome enough to come back on and share what happened. So, enough from me, let’s let him tell the stories.

If you’d like to partner with 516 Project, you can do that here

Donate to 516 Project

Important Links

516 Project

Lifepoint Church: Fredericksburg

Fredericksburg Area Association of Realtors (FAAR)

Eight Days of Hope

Love Acadiana

Kingdom Bound

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Follow James and 516 Project at the following links:

Facebook Page: 516 Project- Construction Ministry

Instagram: @the516Project

Twitter: @the516Project

FB Live Event: Patriotism & Christianity | Ep 46


We did something a little different for this episode. We aired a Facebook Live event this past Tuesday. So, this episode ended up being a shorter than our others. And, because it was the 4th of July, we thought it was fitting to talk about patriotism and Christianity.


Patriotism isn’t a bad thing. In fact, love for your country results in a lot of good stuff. But, when we make it synonymous with Christianity, we turn following Christ into a politically motivated thing. Instead, our love for Christ should guide us into being good citizens in a way that benefits the people of our nation and reveals a love for them and our country.

Oh, and we have a new intro. It’ll probably evolve a little, but it’s pretty close to how it’ll end up. It’s more us.

We would love to hear your thoughts about how you view patriotism and Christianity. Also, feel free to click one of those buttons and share this episode.
photo: Flickr/Arden

Is God Actually Love? | Episode 45

God is Love

Eventually we’ll get back to actually planning our episodes, but for now, just talking about whatever we have going on seems to be working. In the pre-show recordings we actually talked about a lot of stuff (Mission/Vision/Strategy, poetry, writing, school, etc.), but at the end we decided on making our conversation about what the Apostle John might have meant when he said, “God is Love” in 1 John 4:8.

God is Love, or is He

I (Bruce) have been working on a book, titled 3 Command, that deals with this subject. Specifically, it discusses the three commands that Jesus intentionally points to for fulfilling the entire Old Testament law: Love the Lord your God, Love your neighbor, and Love each other. And you can’t talk about the implications of those commands on our lives as Christians without first working through 1 John 4:8.

As I’ve studied that verse and other pastors’ and theologians’ perspective on it, I discovered a lot of them don’t think it means what it sounds like it means. So I asked Thomas the question, “What do you think John meant when he said it?” That was the basis for the conversation.

That’s the episode. We’d love to know what you think about whether God is actually love, or is it just a character trait?

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