The State of Evangelicalism | Ep 63


For this episode Thomas and Bruce just started talking. Two hours later that they had a hodgepodge of topics all jumbled up in a typical Thomas/Bruce conversation. So, they decided to chop it up into a few episodes. That’s why it sounds the way it does.


For this episode they thought it’d be appropriate, on the heels of the State of the Union, to talk about the State of Evangelicalism. Is it dead like everyone is saying it is? Should we be using another title? Is it salvagable? Can we still call ourselves that “which should not be named”? Check out the episode to hear our thoughts on it.


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g(O)dd Topic: Biblical Counsel v. Professional Counseling | Ep 62


In this episode Bruce shares his thoughts on how we might have abdicated our authority, as followers of Christ, to speak wisdom into the lives of those other followers whom we are in community with. He also what it means for the body of Christ to provide counsel within their community and how that is different than professional counseling.

With some recent tragedies in the city that he lives in, the need for community members, especially vocational pastors (because people trust you for this type of stuff), to know the difference and when to refer people is critical. Knowing the difference als helps build healthier Gospel Centered Community.


National Suicide Prevention Lifeline



Master in Counseling Blog: Other Resource Links

Photo: Flickr/JD Hancock

Should Christians Lead in #TimesUp? | Ep 61

This episode is prompted by a FB post from my wife. She asked why she hasn’t heard more Christian men taking the lead in the #TimesUp movement. It’s actually something that we talk about often, so I felt like it was something we needed to address. In past episodes we’ve shared our view on headship and talked around women in leadership, but I thought it was time to take a harder and more clear stance on this topic. So we are.

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Oprah’s Golden Globe Speech

Propaganda – Crooked

Engaging God | Ep 60

Engaging God

In this episode Thomas asks, “When do you feel most used by God?” I have a problem with the idea that God “uses” us, but that’s my own thing. This episode is actually more about engaging God.

What he was really asking was, “What thing, that when you do it, makes you feel most engaged with God?” For me it’s writing and meeting with people and for Thomas it is through writing.

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Two Roads – John Lynch

g(O)dd Studies: Draw Near to God… Sinner, James 4:8 | Ep 59

Jame 4:8A couple months ago we did an episode about interacting with the text of the bible (Ep 51). In that episode we offhandedly mentioned doing a bible study for one episode. As we thought about it we knew that a regular study wouldn’t translate well to a podcast, so we decided to walk through our thought process as we read through a passage of scripture we’re studying. The primary passage we’ll address is James 4:8.

Oswald Chambers

We decided to start our study with a passage from Oswald Chambers’ devotional, My Utmost for His Highest, specifically the one from November 4th. We trust O.C.’s heart for doing good exegesis when using scripture, so we don’t have an issue with what he said. Instead, we want to go deeper and take a contextual look at the whole of the passage.

James 4:8

O.C. uses the first half of this passage, which reads, “Draw near to God and He will draw near to you.This is a great passage and makes an awesome bumper sticker. We wanted to look at the second half and consider what it means for us Christians. The second half reads, “Cleanse your hands, sinners, and purify your hearts, double-minded people!” WHAT?! That’s being said to Christians. So what could it mean? Here’s what we think…


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The Restoring Process: Perry Noble, Church, & Ministry | Ep 58

Perry Noble

Perry Noble’s Recent News

Last week former megachurch pastor Perry Noble filed for divorce from his wife of 17 years. This announcement comes just 16 months after being fired from the lead pastor position at the church he planted the same year he was married. This wasn’t the only big news for Pastor Noble in the recent months. Just this past August, Noble filed paperwork to start a new church, called Second Chance Church.

With all this happening, you have to be asking, is it possible that all this “getting back into ministry” stuff is just a skosh too soon? We don’t want to pretend to know exactly how time is necessary to fully heal or for restoration, but what if what Perry needs more than ministry is church? That’s what we’re talking about in this episode.

What do you think? How much time is enough time before re-entering church leadership?

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Perry Noble official website

Pastor Perry Noble Fired After 16 Years at Newspring Church

Perry Noble files paperwork for new nonprofit, Second Chance Church

Perry Noble Files for Divorce

Newspring Church Answers the Question: Why Hasn’t Perry Noble Been Invited Back to Speak?

Throwback: Ep 23, What if Your Life IS Ministry?


As Christians we often put a ton of pressure on ourselves to realize our “calling.” We act as if in not discovering our calling we are unable to “do” anything for God. What if it is less about “calling” and more about how we understand “ministry?”

What is Ministry?

The greek word that is commonly translated as “minister” is diakonos. Another way it can be translated is “servant.” Various translations of the bible translate it one of those two ways. What could happen if we begin to translate ministry in the context of servanthood rather than vocation? Maybe ministry is simply giving to and serving others. But what do we give them?

Our Life Poured Out

Eph 4:11-13 says, “And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ…”


2 Cor 5:18-19 says, “All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.”

Biblically speaking we are all ministers; given the work of building up, in love, a unified church and bringing the message of reconciliation to the world.

What if our LIFE is ministry? What would the world look like?

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Willow Creek’s New Woman Lead Pastor | Ep 57

Willow Creek Lead PastorIn this episode we’re talking about woman lead pastors… dun, dun, dun. Of a Christian church… dun, dun, duuun. Of an Evangelical, Christian, megachurch… dun, dun, duuuuun.

This past week, megachurch pastor Bill Hybels, announced his replacement for when he retires in October 2018. What was surprising about the announcement was that it wasn’t just one person. In fact, it was two people, one was a woman and they aren’t married. I know. I’m pretty sure that if we hadn’t been angry at football, this would have sent shockwaves throughout Christendom.  Maybe not.

What I do know is that women leading men in church is still a pretty debated topic among many church leaders. So we decided to weigh in on it.

Woman. Wo-o-o-man.

I had someone ask me what I thought about some of Willow Creek’s answers surrounding their decision, specifically the fact that Heather Larson (the new Lead Pastor) will be Steve Carter‘s (the new Lead Teaching Pastor) boss. First let me say, they’re FAQ has a lot of great answers. That said, here’s what I thought:

I’m excited that a church that, by all intents and purposes, is one of the main faces of evangelicalism has taken this step. Those answers from WC seem incongruent with the way they made it sound in the article I read (keeping in mind media bias – it was Christianity Today, so… bias). She’s already the Executive Pastor and the quotes from them made it sound like she was going to be doing the same thing as she is now, which she’s already Steve’s boss. The shtick for me is, she can lead a 400 person staff, many of which are undoubtedly men, but she can teach them from a pulpit? There isn’t anything saying she won’t teach, but it doesn’t say she will and they made it a point to title him lead teaching pastor. So, I feel like it’s more of a shuffle forward than a step.

Regardless, she’s already leading all those people. The only person she can’t currently fire is Bill Hybels. So she got a new title. Awesome.


Christianity Today Article

Nadia Bolz Weber

g(O)dd Guests: Born Amish with Meg Delagrange | Ep 56

Meg Delagrange

Photo Credit: Jessie Nicole Photography

Our guest for this episode, Meg Delagrange, is truly one of the awesomest people I know. She’s pretty rad at a lot of stuff. She’s a mom, artist, marketing & branding director for a fairly young and booming leather bag company, a New York Fashion Week model, speaker and lots of other stuff. And for all her obvious success and God given blessings, she’s no stranger to tragedy and deep hurt. She’s also not stranger to God made wholeness and healing.

In this episode Meg shares some of those deepest hurts and lets us in on what God has been and continues to do to make her whole and heal her heart.

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Meg’s Story summary

Lessons Meg’s been learning this year

Meg’s thoughts on single motherhood

Where to find Meg Delagrange

Meg Delagrange

Photo Credit: Sarah Pagano Photography

Instagram (buy paintings): @meg.delagrange


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Urban Southern on Instagram: @urbansouthern

Wordcamp USA 2017 Speaker (Nashville, TN), Dec 1-3

To Seminary or Not to Seminary? | Ep 55


There really isn’t much to say about this episode. We’re talking about whether or not you should go to seminary to be trained in ministry. Thomas used to be adamantly against it, but God changed some stuff and now he’s wrapping up his M.Div. in Chaplaincy. Bruce hopped right in when he felt a call to ministry, even though he no longer feels called to vocational ministry, and finished his M.A. in Christian Ministry in 2014.

All that to say… Maybe you go, maybe you don’t.

Here’s where we went:

Liberty University Rawlings School of Divinity

photo: Flickr/Timothy Tolle